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dylanfan
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posted April 25, 2003 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
I keep harping about how I would like to see the first 24 issues of Brave and the Bold be Archived. We've seen maps for Viking Prince and Silent Knight, and perhaps this has already been mapped but I missed it. So my apologies if it has already hit the scene, but here is what I put together for my edification, and thought it might be of interest to others.

All this info is gleaned from the GCD, apologies if I have muffed any details:

Brave and the Bold Archives Vol. 1:

Brave and the Bold #1 (Viking Prince/Silent Knight/Golden Gladiator cover)

Golden Gladiator (8 pgs) "The Thunder Of The Chariots" Herron/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "Battle For The Dragon Ship" Kanigher/Kubert
The Sea Rovers (2 pgs) western Kanigher/Andru
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Duel In Forest Perilous" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #2 (Viking Prince cover)

Golden Gladiator (8 pgs) "Sword of Attila" Herron/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "Threat Of The Phantom Viking" Kanigher/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Knight For A Day" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #3 (Silent Knight cover)

Golden Gladiator (8 pgs) "The Invisible Wall" Herron/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "The Hammer of Thor" Finger/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Challenge of the Black Lance" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #4 (Silent Knight cover)

Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Robber Baron of Forest Periolous" Kanigher/Novick
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "The Whirling Warrior" Haney/Kubert
Golden Gladiator (8 pgs) "Captive Champion" Kanigher/Heath

Brave and the Bold #5 (Robin Hood cover)

Robin Hood (10 pgs) "The Blind Bowman" Finger/Novick
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "The Ice Dragon" Finger/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Shield of Terror" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #6 (Silent Knight cover)

Robin Hood (8 pgs) "The Blind Bowman" Haney/Kubert
Golden Gladiator (6 pgs) "The Battle of the Pyramid" Finger/Heath
Silent Knight (10 pgs) "The Hooded Terror" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #7 (Silent Knight cover)

Silent Knight (8 pgs) "The Duel of the Double Identities" Kanigher/Novick
Robin Hood (6 pgs) "The Forest of Traps" Finger/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "The Battle of the Pyramid" Haney/Kubert

Brave and the Bold #8 (Silent Knight cover)

Robin Hood (8 pgs) "Challenge of the Grim Jester" Finger/Heath
Viking Prince (6 pgs) "The Outcast Viking" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Secret of the Arabian Horse" Kanigher/Novick

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Brave and the Bold Archives Vol. 2

Brave and the Bold #9 (Silent Knight cover)

Robin Hood (8 pgs) "Three Arrows Against Doom" Finger/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "Peril of the Burning Sea" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Tale of the Falcon and the Stallion" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #10 (Silent Knight cover)

Robin Hood (8 pgs) "The King of the Sea" Finger/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "Secret of the Feather-Men's Ship" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Challenge of the Round Table" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #11 (Silent Knight cover)

Robin Hood (8 pgs) "Robin Hood vs. the Merrie Men" Finger/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "The Terror Stone" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Forest of Fearful Traps" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #12 (Robin Hood cover)

Robin Hood (8 pgs) "The Apple of Peril" Haney/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "Monster of the Viking Sea" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Shadow of the Silent Knight" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #13 (Silent Knight cover)

Silent Knight (8 pgs) "Silent Knight vs. the Sleeping Knights" Kanigher/Novick
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "Fighting Figurehead" Haney/Kubert
Robin Hood (8 pgs) "King Robin, the First" Finger/Heath

Brave and the Bold #14 (Robin Hood cover)

Silent Knight (8 pgs) "The Armor of Doom" Kanigher/Novick
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "The Ghost Ship" Haney/Kubert
Robin Hood (8 pgs) "The Secret of Sherwood Forest" Finger/Heath

Brave and the Bold #15 (Silent Knight cover)

Silent Knight (8 pgs) "The Three Flaming Dooms" Kanigher/Novick
Robin Hood (6 pgs) "The Bow That Couldn't Be Bent" Haney/Heath
Viking Prince (8 pgs) "The Viking Genie" Finger/Kubert

Brave and the Bold #16 (Viking Prince cover)

Silent Knight (14 pgs) "The Trap of Sir Hawk" Kanigher/Novick
Viking Prince (13 pgs) "The Viking and the Mermaid" Finger/Kubert

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Brave and the Bold Archives Vol. 3

Brave and the Bold #17 (Viking Prince cover)

Viking Prince (13 pgs) "The Lady of the Lake" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (13 pgs) "Triple-Threat Tournament" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #18 (Silent Knight cover)

Viking Prince (13 pgs) "Threat of the Ice King" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (14 pgs) "The Double Decoy" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #19 (Viking Prince cover)

Viking Prince (12 pgs) "Challenge of the Flying Horse" Haney/Kubert
Silent Knight (12 pgs) "End of the Silent Knight" Kanigher/Novick

Brave and the Bold #20 (Silent Knight cover)

Silent Knight (14 pgs) "The Haunted Castle" Kanigher/Novick
Viking Prince (12 pgs) "The Secret of Odin's Cup" Haney/Kubert

Brave and the Bold #21 (Viking Prince cover)

Silent Knight (14 pgs) "The Sword in the Lake" Kanigher/Novick
Viking Prince (12 pgs) "The Viking and the Firebird" Haney/Kubert

Brave and the Bold #22 (Viking Prince cover)

Viking Prince (12 pgs) "The Invisible Viking" Finger/Kubert
Silent Knight (14 pgs) "Challenge of the Sinister Queens" Kanigher/Heath

Brave and the Bold #23 (Viking Prince cover)

Viking Prince (13 pgs) "Origin of the Viking Prince" Haney/Kubert
Viking Prince (12 pgs) "The Figurehead of the Burning Sea" Haney/Kubert

Brave and the Bold #24 (Viking Prince cover)

Viking Prince (13 pgs) "Trail of the Black Falcon" Haney/Kubert
Viking Prince (12 pgs) "Curse of the Dragon's Moon" Haney/Kubert

I'll post a few observations about this series, but right now I have to hightail it to the post office!

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vze2
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posted April 25, 2003 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
I'm in. These are the 3 Archives I want more than anything else (assuming All-Star and The Spirit are givens).

I think you're the first to map this.

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dylanfan
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posted April 25, 2003 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
Woo hoo!!!! First to map!!!

By the way, any of our professional mappers who want to steal the above facts and add their own ingredients to it, feel free.

Now, it's been offered that Viking Prince and Silent Knight would be Archived seperate from the rest of the B+B material. If it is true that a B+B anthology archive is not saleable (or as saleable as seperating the pieces and parts), then of course that is what DC would be thinking. They would think: let's rank these features and go from there. Viking Prince would be #1, Silent Knight #2, and perhaps Robin Hood the next and final feature to get Archives treatment?

Here's the page count for the most prominent features of this book:

Viking Prince: 223 pages plus 9 covers
Silent Knight: 217 pages plus 13 covers
Robin Hood: 86 pages plus 3 covers
Golden Gladiator: 38 pages plus 1 shared cover

There's some weird little feature called The Sea Rovers in the first issue. GCD calls it a "Western" but that seems too odd. Perhaps it is. Anyone?

Anyways, I am not familiar with the Robin Hood ouevre at DC Comics, and perhaps these 89 pages of Russ Heath (and Kubert) would be annexed by some other Robin Hood Archives.

But if Silent Knight and Viking Prince are the only properties ever archived, what I presume to be some pretty decent material by Heath and Kubert gets left in the dust. That would be sad.

Like I've said in another post, these books work out perfectly for Archiving. 24 issues of Brave and the Bold would fit no muss, no fuss into 3 Archives. All of it under wraps. Wouldn't that be nice?

I wonder what people think is the more likely scenario? I certainly hope that at some point that DC recognizes the value in reprinting the very anthologies that were the bedrock of their line of comics for decades, and that this line is one of those anthologies. (Can I get an amen, Mr. Friel? Can I get an amen, Mr. Raap? )

Come on, DC! Be Brave! Be Bold!!!!!

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posted April 25, 2003 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quincyjb   Click Here to Email quincyjb        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylanfan:

I wonder what people think is the more likely scenario? I certainly hope that at some point that DC recognizes the value in reprinting the very anthologies that were the bedrock of their line of comics for decades, and that this line is one of those anthologies. (Can I get an amen, Mr. Friel? Can I get an amen, Mr. Raap? )

Come on, DC! Be Brave! Be Bold!!!!!


Amen!

I think the most likely scenario right now is a done-in-one Viking Prince volume. That is exactly why now is the time to agitate for a complete reprinting of the first 24 issues. Once they start down the road of individual volumes, there is no turning back.


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dylanfan
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posted April 25, 2003 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
Agitation! I like that!

Time to formally agitate, people! Let 'em know! Let 'em know!

Quincy is right! Once the die is cast, the bridges have been burned and the point of no return has been passed. Now somebody keep me away from the cliches and get this ball rolling!

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posted April 26, 2003 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quincyjb   Click Here to Email quincyjb        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylanfan:
Agitation! I like that!

Time to formally agitate, people! Let 'em know! Let 'em know!

Quincy is right! Once the die is cast, the bridges have been burned and the point of no return has been passed. Now somebody keep me away from the cliches and get this ball rolling!


It's been a long time coming, but the time is now for this great set. They are what the world has been waiting for.

DC is putting all its eggs in one basket with volume after volume of superheros. Time to spice things up a bit. This series will make the comics world sit up and take notice.

These volumes are a horse of another color, and they march to the beat of a different drummer. They are here to chew bubble gum and kick some a-s-s, and they just ran out of a-s-s.

<ahem> Anyhoo, doing these as a series rather than by feature sounds like a winning proposition. <dammit, now I can't stop.> I think dropping a line to CBG and other rags with open fan columns would be a step in the right direction <mind... dissolving> on the long, winding road to an archives reprinting of these issues.

'Sfunny. Using all these cliches to support publication of volumes that are relatively lacking in the cliched elements that appear in so many of the other archives.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted April 26, 2003 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
OK, it's obvious Black Hand has been here. I'm getting out of this thread, while the getting's good. After all, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Oh, crap. I'm infected. Medic!

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Lightning + Chemicals
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posted April 26, 2003 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lightning + Chemicals        Reply w/Quote
Nice job, dylanfan!

I was just looking at this very info on the DB this week, you did a great job of laying it out.

OK, my pitchfork is ready... I can light my torch at a moment's notice ... Just point me in the right direction with the rest of the mob and we'll start marching for an inclusive B&B 1-24 archives....

P.S. We probably need a better name to rally around....and something that would allow DC to also use "Brave & Bold" for other archives.... Any suggestions? "Brave & Bold Adventurers" ??

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dylanfan
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posted April 26, 2003 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
How about Brave and the Bold Archives for the first 24, and Brave and the Bold Team-Ups for the team ups? And then Batman: The Brave and the Bold Team-Ups?

Does that work?

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posted April 26, 2003 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bgztl   Click Here to Email Bgztl        Reply w/Quote
Other than the Golden Age Sandman & Doctor Fate series, THIS is the one I would love to have. . . .

Personally, my favorite is the Silent Knight. But I would love to see all th early B & B heroes as they were originally presented.

Thanks for the map.

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James Friel
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posted April 27, 2003 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylanfan:
How about Brave and the Bold Archives for the first 24, and Brave and the Bold Team-Ups for the team ups? And then Batman: The Brave and the Bold Team-Ups?

Does that work?


Works for me. Or Batman In Brave & Bold for the third one, but yes, I favor the three-title plan. Gives DC 3 volume ones (one of them a done-in-one), gives us what we want; everybody wins.

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Lee Semmens
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posted April 27, 2003 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Semmens        Reply w/Quote
How about the title The Brave and the Bold Warriors for the first 24 issues?

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posted April 27, 2003 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silveragesuperfan   Click Here to Email silveragesuperfan        Reply w/Quote
If the Kubert library survives beyond TOR, I always thought they would do Viking Prince as one of those volumes, if at all.

However, I would welcome this Brave & the Bold (or almost any of the other) early anthologies as archives.

A good point was made about bringing some variety back to the overall Superhero reprinting (although we got Enemy Ace and Rock recently).

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posted April 27, 2003 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by silveragesuperfan:
If the Kubert library survives beyond TOR, I always thought they would do Viking Prince as one of those volumes, if at all.

The "Library" label seems to be reserved for creator-owned material. Since DC owns VP, it won't get the "Joe Kubert Library" label. But "Fax from Sarajevo" and other material like that could, some day.

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